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Sunday, August 31, 2014

648 Adventures - Day 1

While at Seattle Hempfest, I discovered a booth for I-648 petitions - Real Legalization for marijuana in the state of Washington, beyond I-502. (For those of you who went to Hempfest in 2013 or were paying attention to state politics back then, it is more-or-less a cleaned-up version of I-584.) I became all activist and asked for some blank petitions so that I could dedicate some of my time to collecting signatures.

(Please check this out to help with some more of my drug policy activism.)

Fortunately for them but unfortunately for me, they ran out of extra twenty-signature petitions, so they just gave me a bunch of four-signature petitions. Good news is that I should be getting some twenty-signature sheets in the mail soon. I decided that a good way to collect signatures before school starts (grrr quarter system...) would be to go to the Bellingham Farmers Market.



I brought my sign and expected it to be fairly easy to collect signatures. However, that was not the case. There were only about two or three people who came up and signed without hesitation. The most asked question was..."How is this different from I-502?" or a variant of that ("Don't we already have legalization?"). Sometimes it was just like a line of people asking that same question one after the other.

The difficulty I find with explaining I-648 is that most people are not familiar with the I-502 law, thus having to explain that and how I-648 addresses some issues found in that or not addressed in I-502 at all. I-648 also covers quite a bit of legislation. These are the main points I usually addressed:

1) Medical patients can be charged with DUI despite following a doctor's advice and not actually being impaired. Under I-502, the active-THC limit is 5 nanograms per milliliter of blood. My main problem with that number is that other studies have chosen other "limits" and say that it also varies from individual to individual. How do you regulate that? Not to mention, if you are suspected of driving under the influence, the only reliable way to detect the amount of active-THC in your blood is to...draw blood and test it. That is not something a police officer can just do (or is qualified to do for that matter) on the roadside - they have to bring the person in. I-648 will at least treat patients "like prescription drug patients regarding the driving under the influence law."

2) Under I-502, punishments for those twenty years of age and younger became more severe for marijuana possession - at least one day in jail and a maximum of ninety days. I-648 would make first offense possession for those twenty-years-old and younger a class 3 civil infraction, a maximum monetary penalty of $50.

3) Even under I-502, the transfer of marijuana from one adult to another is a felony, unless one is a licensed vendor - the exception is a caregiver transferring medicine to a patient. With I-648, "No license, fee, tax, or permit is required of adults...to transfer not-for-profit the amounts specified...to any other person," which of course only applies to those twenty-one and older.

Of course, these are not the only issues addressed in I-648. Read more here if you want all the details.

There were so many kids at the farmers market...I knew parents and grandparents would not be so happy if I made my presence too well-known. I really do hate how this is not a topic that is deemed as socially-acceptable, or is barely-so. A lot of people looked at me as if I was a freak of nature. It was like the AS Elections all over again.

One woman rushed over to me and said, "Sorry, I had to rush here - I don't want my grandchildren see me sign this."

Despite people ignoring me or giving me weird stares, it was not hostile at all. There were only two people who announced to me that they were against any kind of marijuana legalization. One said that it makes people even more dumb, and people are dumb enough as they are. Another told me after I asked her if she wanted to learn more after telling her a bit of what I-648 would do if enacted into law that she was not for legalization and walked off. She walked away too quickly for me to ask why she did not believe in legalization...or I was a few seconds too late to realize that I should have asked that question.

This was a very random observation, but there were a lot of people from out of the area. Some of the signers were from Seattle and other parts of Washington, and two I talked with were out-of-state - Colorado and California.

After telling two guys some of the things I-648 would deal with, they did not care to sign, although they expressed interest in maybe looking more into it. One of them said that he might sign it after getting drunk tonight and pointed to Rumors across the street. He asked me if I would be there. I thought it was strange that someone assumed I would be going clubbing at a certain location that night. I forget what I said (something probably like, "Nah, I don't think so"), but he inquired on whether or not I go out dancing much, and I replied, "No, not really."

A minute after they left, the realization of what was going on dawned upon me.

By going to the farmers market, I was able to collect four-and-a-half sheets of signatures. Hopefully next time, I will not not be too lazy and head there around the time it opens. I think I was only there for like two hours. I have decided that I will journal about my experiences with this on here. So look forward to more of my 648 Adventures!

Benefits of four-signature petitions - makes it seem like I accomplished a lot!

Sunday, August 24, 2014

Miley Cyrus and My Friend's Place

Social media is going wild over Miley Cyrus winning Video of the Year for "Wrecking Ball" at the 2014 MTV Video Music Awards...except it is not really because she won. Instead of accepting the award herself, she sent up "Jesse" - someone who has had to deal with homelessness in his youth. You can read more at Rolling Stone.

I have written twice about Miley Cyrus on my blog so far - once for her performance with Robin Thicke, and the other on why she deserved to be nominated for TIME's Person of the Year in 2013. This time, I am really glad to be writing about her. There are a lot of comments from people that this was just a publicity stunt.

So it is...for a good cause. I cannot put it any better than my friend, Sarah Harvard:

"Why do we shut down people from doing good things or attempting to do good things?

We may think it's a gimmick, but she gave an opportunity to a homeless teen and brought more awareness to the issue than before."


So many acts of charity are being dismissed - from the ALS Ice Bucket Challenge to the Pay It Forward line that formed at a Starbucks in Florida. Who cares if these causes are being propelled and hyped up by the media? As long as there are tangible benefits and awareness being brought to them, I believe it is worth it.

When I first heard of Miley Cyrus sending up Jesse to accept her award, it reminded me of when a certain actor from The Godfather won Best Actor at the 45th Annual Academy Awards in 1973.

Now that we have that out of the way, it is time to discuss the most important part of all of this...
It was almost like Miley Cyrus knew she was going to win all along! What if Beyonce had won instead? Poor Jesse would not have had his time to shine and share with us his story and of other homeless youths. Are there other oppressed people sitting next to celebrities, just hoping that the celebrity wins the award so that they can tell the world how they have been hidden away from society and how we can help?? Then freakin' Adele wins instead and hogs the spotlight.
Thanks, Adele. Six wins in one night, and in the process, you obliterate the voices of at least six different people from the shadows.
It makes me think that the winners know ahead of time, so that their victimized comrades will be guaranteed speaking time. However, I am not a conspiracy theorist - that would be these people. I do not believe that our beloved celebrity award ceremonies would lie to us like that.
Enough of my nonsense. Go check out My Friend's Place right now. I, as your Libertarian Overlord Katrina Haffner, coerce you.

Monday, August 18, 2014

2014 Seattle Hempfest speech

After attending Seattle Hempfest for the first time in 2013, I decided that I wanted to apply to become a speaker for 2014. At first, I thought I was only speaking on Friday, but when I checked the final schedule, it turned out I was speaking all three days.

Hence why this only has Friday's time/place 
(For those of you who are curious: Friday [08/15] at 2:50 on Ralph Seeley, Saturday [08/16] at 11:50 on Share Parker Main, and Sunday [08/17] at 1:35 on Peter McWilliams.)

I knew that I wanted to cover marijuana and hemp legalization from a slightly different perspective. The speakers who talk about activism (the few who actually do...) usually talk about tangible benefits from legalization and repercussions of prohibition. There is definitely nothing wrong with those arguments (I would hope not, since I wrote not only one, but two articles on this blog exploring some of them [although from a broader "War on Drugs" perspective]). However, I wanted to cover it from a more moral perspective.

As for the actual speech, I had not spoken in front of an audience for a while and knew I would be rusty. On Friday, I decided to read off my paper. I did not like doing that because I did not have the time to rehearse it much and by looking at the paper, it cut off a good portion of my connection with the audience. Saturday felt much better when I spoke of points I remembered from my written speech. On Sunday, I had to get from Bremerton to Seattle, then rush from the south entrance to the McWilliams Stage, barely making it on time (technically, I did not make it on time, but thankfully between band sets when the speakers go on). With no time to rehearse (and overthink) and being onstage twice that weekend, I felt the connectivity even more-so.

This is more-or-less what my speech(es) consisted of:

"Hello everyone, and Happy Hempfest! My name is Katrina Haffner, here on behalf of Students For Liberty and Students for Sensible Drug Policy to educate you all on not only why but how to get. I have to admit that when I first found out I was accepted as a speaker, my first thought was, “How do I deliver a speech to a bunch of high people?” Last year was my first time coming to an event like this, and while I immensely enjoyed it, I could not help but notice that there is a general sense of apathy towards activism by the attendees. Spring of 2013, I had stepped up to become the president of Western Washington University’s chapter of Students for Sensible Drug Policy. While I was familiar with drug policy, I would not say I was well-versed in it, and it was definitely an issue I cared about, but I really did need to brush up on my understanding of it. Last summer, I decided to come to Hempfest to learn more about marijuana policy and to network. When I told some of my friends this, they laughed and told me, “Katrina, there is literally nothing to do there but smoke weed.” Just to note, I’m not much of a smoker, so that’s why they laughed. I was disappointed because I somewhat believed them since they’d actually been there, but I decided to go anyways.

"Oh boyyyy, were they wrong. I mean, sure, when I finally came here, I started wondering if there was such a thing as a secondhand high. However, there turned out to be quite a few activism and learning opportunities. I concluded the problem is not that these opportunities are not presented and available, but that not many people cared to become more involved with the legalization movement.

"Just because I-502 passed does not mean that all is well now, no – not even in Washington. We have that crazy active-THC blood level limit portion of the law and other practices that negatively affect medical patients. Unlike Colorado, adults cannot grow their own plants. Unlike Colorado, Washington still cannot cultivate and process industrial hemp. One of the only good reasons I can find for I-502’s enactment into law is that there have been so many arrests that have been prevented. When has smoking pot or using hemp products hurt anyone? Even if you were to use the argument that it hurts those who use it, keep in mind…it is our own choice to do what we want with our lives and with our bodies.

"Some of you have probably heard that the United States has only 5% of the world’s population, but 25% of the world’s prisoners. Did you know that over half a million people were arrested in 2012 for marijuana possession alone in the US? Home of the free? [Beat] Not only has our government violated our individual agency, but it has drastically changed some people’s lives…and not for the better. Despite the similarity of usage by people of all colors, Native Americans, blacks, and Hispanics are more likely to be searched for possession, arrested, and serve jail time. All for a nonviolent activity. Speaking of violence, many notable economists have contributed the prohibition of certain substances to the growth of violent black markets. Have you ever reported your drug dealer to the Better Business Bureau? What we see going on in Mexico is very similar to alcohol prohibition in the ‘20s. These people neither have the government nor the public keeping an eye on them, letting them get away with atrocious things.

"Now, I’m a Campus Coordinator for Students For Liberty. Liberty is very important to me. I want restrictions on hemp and marijuana to be lifted locally, nationally, and internationally. Do you all know what the good news is? By I-502 and Amendment 64 being enacted into law, we not only have the country, but the entire world, revisiting this issue. Why, it was only earlier this year that Uruguay became the first country in the world to legalize recreational marijuana. You are already doing your part by being here. Having this many people show up to a festival of this kind sends a message to the world. However, this is not all you could be doing. There are many political organizations who have booths or at the very least, activists, here. Talk to them! Talk to me, and I will help you go in the right direction. I understand that not everybody has the drive or time to become an activist, but there are still some small things pretty much anyone can do.

"It’s surprising how much of an impact a mere Facebook post has. I have had quite a few people tell me that their views on a certain topic had drastically changed because of an article I had once posted, and if I remember correctly, no one had liked or commented on it. I thought I was just one of those people who liked to bathe in their own intelligence, shouting to a brick wall. Keyboard activists sometimes get slack for not doing more, but social media is a great way to educate your friends and family. Do me a favor this weekend and go a step above what you normally do concerning marijuana and hemp activism. Have you never posted anything related to this topic on Facebook or Twitter? I would think most of you have smartphones – do it now! Is all what your activism comprised of is posting on social media? Go and talk to NORML or visit the Hemposium. Just to think that two years ago, I thought Hempfest was a tradeshow of industrial hemp wonders. Now, I am speaking on a stage – in Seattle – at Hempfest – about how to become more involved. You don’t need to be a stoner or a policy-enthusiast to want marijuana and hemp legalization. I’m a nonsmoking anthropology and theater major – how could anyone beat the oddity that? It does not matter how old you are, your nationality, your religion, and so on – because marijuana and hemp do not discriminate. Thank you."


Thursday, August 14, 2014

Happy 1st Birthday, La Commedia Politica!

Seattle Hempfest is coming up tomorrow, and for the preceding months, I could not believe it would be a year since I first went. (For those who want to learn about my experiences there, read this.) I remembered that I started writing my blog around the same time. A few days ago, I noticed my Introduction was published on 08/14/2013, and all I thought I would do was make a quick post about it on my Facebook profile and page, Liberty.me, and personal and campaign Twitter. Then I was like, "Wait a second, that is not a proper way to celebrate a birthday!" (Would you really want your cousin's birthday to be celebrated in the same exact way I described?) So despite all of the busy work I have to do concerning Hempfest this weekend, I decided to write this. (I briefly considered writing a birthday post on a non-birthday day, but I am not one of those people.)

Yes, some of the busy work involves being a speaker
EDIT: Check out my speech for the 2014 Seattle Hempfest.

For a few years, I was keeping my eyes out for a potential blogger to challenge the "leftists" and "liberals" of Bellingham and Washington. (Not that being a leftist or a liberal is bad at all, but I do not like circlejerks.) I considered blogging myself, but two things prevented me from doing so:

1) I did not feel like I knew enough politics, especially local politics. (I still struggle with keeping up with local politics.)

2) I thought I would run out of ideas to write about. (Ninety-eight drafts and published posts later...)

I cannot say what made me change my mind, but I had a huge writing itch, plus I wanted to have a comic outlet, thus La Commedia Politica.

Through my blog, I got to explore ideas that beforehand would have just simmered in my brain a bit then died off. Since I have this, I can quickly type in an idea for a post and save it for later...hence why I have so many drafts. When people think of writing, or at least when I do, they think of experts telling others what they know to be true. I had not given much thought to writing to come to a "conclusion" about an issue (why ever conclude anything?), but now it is a process I am aware of and enjoy immensely. 

Most importantly, through writing this blog, I have connected with people I already know, or some who I otherwise would not have really cared to get to know (and it hurts saying that). A wide variety of people read this. The poll I currently have up shows that we have everybody (but conservatives) who check in, which I found funny because I thought that this was a blog that would only appeal to libertarians (if even).

I want to thank you all for taking the time to read this post, visiting my blog, and posting insightful comments. It means the world to me that I get so much support from my readers.


Saturday, August 9, 2014

"Long Live the Queen" - Red Lotus and anarchism



To think that I thought that shit went down last week. (I mean, it did, but it does not quite compare with this week's episode - Book 3, Episode 10 "Long Live the Earth Queen.")

Do I even need to tell you that there will be spoilers?

After the Red Lotus gives the Earth Queen Mako and Bolin in exchange for Korra when she arrives, they hear that the ship carrying Korra crashed in a desert, and they know that there is no way that Korra would be able to be caught again. They go into the throne room and the Earth Queen threatens to imprison them. Then Zaheer says another badass anarchist quote:

"I don't believe in queens. You think freedom is something that you can give or take on a whim, but to your people, freedom is just as essential as...air, and without it, there is no life. There is only...darkness."

(For some reason, I feel like I need to clear up that the way I punctuated this is actually different than from how it is punctuated with captions. I wanted Zaheer's speaking style to show.)




I also changed punctuation for this to make it more visually-appealing.
Answer the timeless question: is freedom essential to the human condition?

After the Earth Queen's assassination, Zaheer announces to Ba Sing Se that they are now free, and lets out the Queen's prisoners. Ghazan tears down the walls that separate the levels of the city, and we see civilians eagerly rushing towards areas they had never seen before. Next thing we know, looters and rioters are wreaking havoc on the city.

Seriously, hopefully I am not the only one who found parallels.


I guess that would make Mako the Dark Knight.

I have always wanted to write about the walls of Ba Sing Se that separate the levels from each other, and use it to illustrate real-life examples, such as gated communities and Brasil. While I am critical of the divisions, which most likely contribute to the socioeconomic inequality, I realized I had not given thought to the idea of immediately bringing them down before.

Do you believe that lawlessness like that would exist in real life if walls separating different classes of people (that these people grew up with) were brought down? Remember that they are also being encouraged by Bane...er, I mean Zaheer and the Red Lotus. Or would it be as realistic as The Purge?

This speculation got me wondering about Murray Rothbard's "button to end the state" - the gist being if there was a button that ended all the states everywhere, would you push it? You do not necessarily have to believe in anarchism, just in the idea that governments as we know them are over-inflated and that there is no way to bring their power down to a reasonable level with the political processes already in existence.

Personally, I would not push the button. You?

A friend of mine wrote this - it was commentary on a speaker we were listening to, but I forgot what exactly the speaker was talking about:

"To be clear hesitation to press Rothbard's Button can arise from more than just fear of a new, more tyrannical state. It can also come from the desire to see gradualist policies to help make a more peaceful transition to a "stateless" society while also helping to establish a social and economic order that would be conducive to a horizontal, equitable, and free society."

I guess my point is that what the Red Lotus has done to Ba Sing Se is evidence that pushing the button is a bad idea.

EDIT: Michelangelo Landgrave wrote a response to this.

Do you believe what the Red Lotus did to Ba Sing Se was bad? (I do.)

Should Zaheer have killed the Earth Queen? (I do not think so. Then again, I make a terrible violent revolutionary. I feel like it is going to end up like one of those kid shows or movies when we see the character a little bit later, just injured.)

I think we can all agree that the Earth Queen was out-of-line. Are any libertarians still non-interventionist after watching Book 3?

What could have been some better alternatives to liberate Ba Sing Se?

Friday, August 8, 2014

Libertarian parenting - how do libertarians raise their children?

While I am pretty indifferent to the idea of having children (I have never really liked them all too much), I cannot help but be paranoid about studying up on how to properly raise them. It is a huge fear of mine that I will not be able to control them. I do not want to be one of those people who criticize bad parenting at a young age but am little-to-no different when I have my own kids, whether it be because of exhaustion, it was harder than I thought it would be, etc.

Here is where libertarianism comes in...

Surely, I want my children to be safe and successful, but I do not want to be sheltering, nagging, and overprotective. I also do not want to be so chill with whatever that they put themselves in reckless danger and/or become juvenile delinquents.

How can a parent effectively provide a guiding hand without overstepping their children's personal agency?

(I am aware that it is up to the parents to decide how to raise their children, and that political ideology or party does not necessarily mean being "consistent" with those beliefs concerning the government's role in personal affairs. However, I would say that believing the government do one thing and then doing something else is sometimes hypocritical in certain instances.)

Libertarians who have children - how have y'all found fair ground between the two extremes?

Libertarians who do not have children yet, but are like me and have given this some thought - how do you see yourselves handling this?

EDIT: While on Liberty.me, I discovered Free Your Children: A Guide for Liberty-Loving Parents by Justin Arman. If you do not have an account yet, use SEXILIBERTI as a code and get a $5 discount each month.


Sunday, August 3, 2014

Red Lotus = anarchists of "Korra"

Whoaaaa, Book 3, Episode 9 of Korra - "The Stakeout" ...shit went down.

I thought it would be ones of those episodes where nothing really happened, and I guess that was what the first half of the episode was kind of like. After that, just wow.

If my brilliant writing skills in this particular post have not awed you by now, let me touch upon the anarchist themes that have emerged within the show. DO NOT FEAR - there will be very few spoilers. Actually, if you have not watched this episode by now, shame on you!

While in the Spirit World, Zaheer and Korra have a Q&A session...

Zaheer discloses to Korra that the Red Lotus, which he and his friends are a part of, is a secret society "dedicated to restoring freedom to the world"  and it was "what the White Lotus was meant to be."

For those who do not know, the Order of the White Lotus was formed as a secret society to receive and share knowledge, transcending national and political boundaries. Their members trained Aang, Zuko, Katara, and Sokka, and helped to stop the Fire Nation from conquering the world.


Zaheer explains that after the Hundred Year War, members of the White Lotus came out of hiding and publicly served the avatar as "glorified bodyguards" who served corrupt nations. The Red Lotus, led by Xai Bau, broke off from the White Lotus.

He mentions that "bringing the spirits back should only be the beginning" and goes on further with the notion that "the idea of having nations and governments is as foolish as keeping the human and spirit realms separate."

This Zaheer backs up by trying to appeal to Korra by saying, "You have had to deal with a moronic president and a tyrannical queen. don't you think the world would be better off if leaders like them were eliminated?"

Korra declares that she may not agree with those leaders' choices, but that does not believe that getting rid of the world leaders will do any good, and that it is no reason in itself to do so.

Zaheer continues with his examples of corrupt leaders citing how the Fire Nation attacked Air Nation because of their selfish ruler.

Then he says probably the most anarchist quote ever from both Avatar: The Last Airbender and Korra.

How could I resist?
Korra points out that that would not bring about balance, but throw the world into chaos. Zaheer replies with, "The natural order is disorder."

"New growth cannot exist without first the destruction of the old." He reveals that this quote was uttered by none other than Guru Laghima, an airbender. This actually remind me of "Winter Solstice (1): The Spirit World" - Book 1, Episode 7 - of A:TLA, when Aang learns that without the burning down of the old forest, the new seeds could not sprout.

Do you think Zaheer is taking this quote out-of-context? or was there actually an anarchist airbender?

"WE NEED A VIOLENT REVOLUTION TO UPHOLD OUR IDEALS OF LIBERTY AND EQUALITY!! Except not actually violent. I don't really want to kill anybody, and hopefully none of you want to either. By talking things out, meditating, and maybe an occasional rally, we could really get shit done!"

Kind of sounds like me...

Throughout history, we have seen factions of groups form after disagreements over authority, practices, etc. By the way Zaheer describes things (just by listening to his side of the story), I do not blame his resentment towards the White Lotus. It is the White Lotus' mission to preserve ancient knowledge, but if they changed it solely to serving the avatar, their reasons for forming in the first place are lost. In Book 3, Episode 8 - "Winter Solstice (2): Avatar Roku" - we learn that the Sages once served the avatar, but within the period of the War, they pledged their allegiance to the Fire Lord. When the organization forgets the purpose for its existence, it can easily fall down a slippery slope. While we can hope that there is no evil avatar, would it not be naive to believe that it can never happen? Would members of the White Lotus be able to realize it despite their blind loyalty?

I do not get how the Red Lotus' dreams of reuniting the Spirit World and real word and the overthrowing of corrupt governments came to be. Was this already an argument within the White Lotus? When saying that the avatar served corrupt nations, he seemed to be hinting that some members within the White Lotus had already noticed that before the split. How did the whole Spirit World idea become to be?

What I love about A:TLA and Korra is that their storylines and characters are not always so black-and-white as most cartoons can be. Zuko didn't turn out so bad, amiright? During Book 2, Korra realized that Unalaq was right to an extent when saying that spirits and mortals have no reason to be separated from each other. Now that the two realms are not completely isolated from the other, the Red Lotus is keen on displaying their middle fingers to the state...which involves kidnapping Korra.

In Book 3, Episodes 3 and 4 - "The Earth Queen" and "In Harm's Way" - I joked that the Earth Queen is reason enough to justify an International Criminal Court. Korra felt that the Queen had no right to treat her citizens in that manner, but Bumi pointed out that she does have the right. Bumi is correct, of course, since the Earth Queen is, well, the queen of Ba Sing Se. However, one does have to question why one person is even given the authority to rule over thousands of civilians. As we can see, tyranny is easily achievable with such a form of government, but how about with a democracy of sorts?

Like Republic City? Zaheer does not fail to mention the president of that land, calling him "moronic," which is better than being called "tyrannical." Even when elected (or so we can presume), the leader(s) of a people cannot seem to rule intelligently. We should keep in mind what Plato (or even what a Wikipedia article) has to say on the shortcomings of democracy.

Could there be a compromise made? Like, "Let's just get rid of the bad leaders!" The problem is how do you get around doing that? Especially through the Red Lotus' eyes? Should leaders be elected? Appointed? Be chosen through their bloodline? Just because there was once a great king or queen does not mean it will always be so. Can we trust the public to elect good-hearted and smart leaders, especially through the test of time? There may be a generation of politically-aware citizens, but then the next generation may only see the superficial results of self-serving politicians. It seems Zaheer is fixated on the notion that leaders cannot be trusted, lest they become self-serving, such as how the Fire Nation eradicated the Air Nation because of narrow-minded rulers.

I do agree with the quote, "True freedom can only be achieved when oppressive governments are torn down," but not within the context this was used. If I saw this quote but had not watched the episode, I would have thought that maybe Zaheer was a minarchist. While I could see a plot twist where the Red Lotus members realize their awful ways of achieving freedom and decide to become minarchists, it would not answer the question: Are all governments oppressive? or can all forms of government lead to corruption?

The Red Lotus, or at least Zaheer, believe that freedom is a preferable alternative to "balance," but how far into chaos would they expect the world to succumb to?

Do you think that taking down (oppressive) governments would bring balance or throw the world into chaos?

Do you believe that the natural order is disorder?

If you are a libertarian or anarchist who are fans of Avatar: The Last Airbender and The Legend of Korra, you should join this Facebook group.

EDIT: There is now this Facebook page - Red Lotus Reformed: Seeking Harmony.

MORE EDIT: I have written on Book 3, Episode 10 - "Long Live the Earth Queen" - includes criticism of Murray Rothbard.


EDIT: Had to add in this wonderful piece of art from my fellow Red Lotus Reformed admin, VoluntaryistVarrick.